What to do with Nancy?

         

     Nancy is 50. Nancy is a drunk. Nancy has lived in one of the City parks for about 6 months now. She used to live with her mother before her mother died.


            

     This is Nancy's lair. It is a little nook behind some overgrown bushes and some silver buttonwood trees.


          

     This is Nancy, this morning, under that blanket, on the ground.


      What should be done?


          
 

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  • 12/27/2012 11:29 AM Gremlin wrote:
    Better question is what can be done? Gremlin
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  • 12/27/2012 12:37 PM char wrote:
    Unfortunately nothing can be done. A court ordering her to rehab only works if she wants help. Living on the street shows she wants no help, therefore she is subject to arrest. That will only give her short term, a shower, food and a place to sleep. Information regarding agencies who can help is readily available. The choices these street homeless folks have made is very sad.
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  • 12/27/2012 1:17 PM no fan of his wrote:
    Why not send her to Charlie King's house?
    With his compassion for his fellow human beings, I'm sure it will be a perfect match. He can even add her to his email blast list and bore the crap out of her five times a day every day. Avoiding that possibility might be incentive enough for her to try and get back on her feet.
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  • 12/27/2012 3:33 PM Michael wrote:
    Hi Tim and here's to a Happier New Year. While I am sympathetic to Nancy's plight I wonder when we as human beings will 'do' something to 'help' the people who need and want to accept help. I travel by the City Hall parking lot daily and cannot believe we have allowed the camp to not only reconvene but even to exist. Didn't we (the city gov't) tap into the Huizenga pockets to build a shelter? Why haven't we asked for that assistance yet? Where is the transitional housing to help those willing to work successfully and free up space? We're missing the boat and a lot more can be accomplished with such little effort.
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  • 12/27/2012 3:54 PM fred carlson wrote:
    Tim, I'm responding to this provocative post of yours because about 7 years ago I delved deeply into this problem. It cost me months of talking with the likes of Nancy, visiting most of the social service organizations like the HAC (Homeless Action Center). I spent hours talking and attending meetings. The noble tireless social workers we found everywhere. Hopeless homeless too. Around roughly 30% are alcoholics, maybe 30% drug addicts. Mental problems maybe 50%, many very close to violence, they rob each other, various illnesses...diabetes with open sores, AIDS, malaria, the list goes on. And many petty criminals, car break-ins, purse snatchers, tourist focused panhandlers doing aggressive scams, panhandling at the stoplights. We found the city "bus ticket home" program was without funds, raised $5,000 for this Police Department program which the city eventually matched. We found a few successes by referring them to the Police program led by Jamie Costas, and later Sandy Downs. The regular social programs are generally "program centric" rather than customer centric, so I formed a group to try to open a "no requirements" center. We had meetings, found the donor sources and looked for sites to occupy or to build on. NIMBY not in my backyard.Over and over.Finally we gave up. But The need continues. Overall my personal conclusion, having the community, our city, being an open treatment or refugee center is just awful. It destroys the neighborhoods, like around the library. Poor areas of the city are dragged down becoming "dumping grounds", greatly inhibiting their efforts at vitalization, or progress. Crime caused by these homeless is rampant. they don't care if they are arrested, tomorrow they rob or threaten again. Overall these people NEED to be subjected to structure, enforced behavior modification (they need to be gently forced to get their act together and shape up...a program like the Army or the French Foreign Legion. Generally, these people would rather sleep in your front yard, and steal your dog food, or anything else, instead of shaping up. Enforced work camps would change many of these minds to getting and keeping a job. Their mental health would improve. Government handouts and giving perpetuate this lifestyle of self-destructive and city destructive behavior. Tough Love Baby
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    1. 12/30/2012 8:58 AM America wrote:
      Fred's comment is fairly accurate other than one point he made. The truth is homeless are not responsible for much crime (other than city ordinances for begging, trespassing, etc that they get arrested for when you folks with homes want them removed from our parks, libraries, etc). They are responsible for almost NO violent crime. On occasion one is violent toward another homeless person as they have the same 'issues' in their society as we do, but I can't recall one time a homeless individual harmed someone in Ft. Lauderdale.
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  • 12/27/2012 6:18 PM Carmen wrote:
    Is Nancy a mental health consumer? She needs someone to take care of her. Love Nancy, don't permit her to live out there, it's inhumane. Get her indoors where there's some rules but also a whole lot of love and acceptance.
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    1. 12/28/2012 9:43 AM Char wrote:
      Carmen:
      Please take her into your home or yard!
      You need to understand that Fred Carlson is definitely correct.
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  • 12/29/2012 6:34 AM Hook us up wrote:
    Is she hot?
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  • 12/29/2012 10:08 AM Volunteer wrote:
    Can we get someone from the City or the County that is tasked to deal with these issues respond?
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  • 12/30/2012 3:17 PM Lester Zalewski wrote:
    Tim
    I know you are fully aware of the process and you are just fishing your blog brain pool.

    Contact; Taskforce Fore Ending Homelessness,Inc.730 North Andrews Avenue, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33311
    Phone954) 525-3494

    Real solutions in real time. My kind of agency.

    Lester Zalewski
    lesterz.com

    Broward is implementing my suggestion of using our sand now on the a1a issue.
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  • 12/30/2012 4:22 PM Tim wrote:
    Lester .... The agency you list does not take drunks! ...now what? ...Tim
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    1. 12/30/2012 5:25 PM Lester Zalewski wrote:
      Tim

      Now vote for Lester Zalewski Jan 15 for your District 2 commissioner and I will take care to this.

      Lester Zalewski
      lesterz.com

      They are an outreach program give them a call, they can help.
      lesterz.com
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      1. 12/31/2012 7:15 AM wouldntuknow wrote:
        Is it just me or do others think someone running for office would know they dont take drunks? man cant we do better then this pool of politicians running? and the line "i will take care of this" makes me sick to my stomach reminds me of the politicians in chicago in the 60s....Mr. Mayor what about crime in the city....um ah elect me and i will take care of this...hahaha....politics in Fort Lauderdale is like a high school race.
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    2. 1/6/2013 8:17 AM Lester Zalewski wrote:
      Tim we both know there are only two agencies the will transport or contain people under the influence. But there are several that will help people with substance abuse problems. We had your 13st meeting in one! By the way any follow up on Nancy?

      Lester Zalewski
      lesterz.com just updated
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  • 12/30/2012 7:13 PM blowhard wrote:
    Lester Zalewski never has all of his facts straight. He pontificates as if he does, but he makes most everything up - simply taking bits of truth and embellishing. Funny that he thinks that moving sand was HIS suggestion. I've watched him at Central Beach Alliance meetings over the years (before the Board expelled him and the membership told him to sit down and shut up at his last meeting) and this is his MO. Most people know this and he will come in fourth place of the four candidates - way back in the pack.
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    1. 12/31/2012 10:40 AM Lester Zalewski wrote:
      The issue is this poor woman and there but for the grace of god go I or you.
      I spoke to the director of this agency several months ago having been referred to him by one of the state top human rights lawyers and am confident they are good people. They have an excellent mission statement.

      Lester Zalewski
      lesterz.com

      Tim I see all the other District 2 candidates must be at fund raisers
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      1. 1/1/2013 8:40 AM thisisfunny wrote:
        I dont even understand what Lester just said above. Either they take drunks or they dont and he has no clue. Yea Lester no one else had your ingenius idea..haha...come on bro like your ideas arent original have no basis in facts you have no plan....like all you say at these candidates forums is uh um Im gonna do more then everyone else but you dont give any details...im thinking that is why you finished 4th last time...I would be embarrassed by that showing...write in candidates get more votes.
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  • 12/31/2012 10:48 AM Hook us up wrote:
    Enough already!

    Is she HOT?
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  • 12/31/2012 2:47 PM City Activist Robert Walsh wrote:
    Oh poor Nancy huh? Living what is this under a tree, in the bushes etc. I would trade places w/ good old homeless Nancy any day of the week. Seriously. My stress- its a wonder I just don't keel over(some of you would like that huh? Fat chance.) All kidding aside woman in distress, etc, could help this lady and other homelessa s well. One thing about Broward County, if you need assistance the County is always there to support them(211). Happy New Year Tim and everybody else. Esp. Mayor Seiler run Jack run for Gov. Goober , Scott just appointed Dr.Zachariah to (get this) to the Florida Bd. Of Medicine, but yet he runs a shit hole of a hospital(Holy Cross). You want to be Gov, Mayor-sure why not. Lets do it. Can you see the Jack now "just in Gov.Seiler gives all 'convicted felons their Clemency, except for Robert Walsh. Why , you ask ,because i (jack) can . Ann (mine) would say "let the civil service staff grant you it, since you stick up for them soo much(I get it)
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    1. 1/1/2013 9:08 AM another anonymous wrote:
      @Tim Smith - you banned Charley King. He deserves it on many levels.
      How about for 2013 we try to get by without the ridiculous Robert Walsh. He is a character, I will grant you that. But he often makes slanderous remarks that are both inappropriate, and irrelevant. Walsh is an egomaniac with an inferiority complex. He is also a crook.
      Your site attracts lots of bright people with good ideas about moving our city forward. Has Walsh contributed one relevant idea to the conversation?
      Please "moderate" Mr. Walsh for the good of the group.
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      1. 1/2/2013 9:19 AM Char wrote:
        Certainly agree!
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  • 1/2/2013 6:02 PM ehhood expression wrote:
    Listen to "another anonymous" really what is this you say- egomaniac and I have a "inferiority complex"huh. Robert walsh-please. And lastly I am slanderous -. First of all people who live in" big glass houses "should not throw stones. I can substanchiate everything I comment on. You don't like it obviously well go sell shoes. i mean really. Also I got several calls today that charlotte Rodstrom "dissed me. I would bet ten grand this "Char" is not Charlotte Rodstrom. This reminds me of the three stooges(office gals) trying to petion the court for restraining orders, it was like hearing gay Susie Orman(jackets and all) state-DENIED, DENIED
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